Curse

QuixotesGhost · Aug 02, 2005, 01:52 AM // 01:52

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Originally Posted by Lost

A few days ago I was getting a warrior rushed to Droknars and while we were laying around dead someone in our group said something like: "i cant wait to get my droknar armor to pwn those noobs in ascalon".

That's just sad...

You should've offered the runner extra cash to go back and kick him.

ComMan · Aug 02, 2005, 02:40 AM // 02:40

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Originally Posted by kalaris

Have you been through the game 4 times? is it tedious as heck by the second, by the 4th is just plain annoying... being primarily pvp I just want to unlock everything without ages of grinding... the beacons to draks run made my monk powerful enough to complete the game in about 20 hours, and that I greatly enjoyed.

There are six classes.

You take 2 of them each time.

There is no reason to go through the PvE 4 times unless you want to. Once you have 3 PvE characters you are entirely capable of unlocking every skill and leaving the 4th slot open for a PvP character.

And yes, I'm on my 3rd time through. You know what i hate most about going through the game a third time? The fact that I can't PvP with this character until I've finished the PvE.

entropy · Aug 02, 2005, 05:31 AM // 05:31

Well even with 4 chars i still am missing two classes lol... because i dont play them as much and havent really put them in. Its more fun for the other ones i would get them to unlock the elite skillls but then i would have no pvp char which is what i like to do ;-(

super dooper · Aug 02, 2005, 05:47 AM // 05:47

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Originally Posted by Red Sonya

armor level restrictions put on Ascalon and Yaks Bend Arena's. 55 armor or less for Ascalon and 65 armor or less for Yaks Bend.

I think that's the best solution..

Regarding the skills though.. I'd say putting 2 'special' NPC's at the entrance of Icedome and Ice Caves of Sorrow that say something along the lines of "We have orders to not let anyone but the Chosen pass." or something similar that means: Go get ascended.

That would then weed out quite a few elites and the skills from Marhan's and Copperhammer, and the completely clueless people in those later missions.

Helios · Aug 02, 2005, 06:02 AM // 06:02

Or how about make it so that having the "true sight" means something. If you're unascended, then you can't see or even target any mursaat bad guys but they can attack you.

Pippy Bloodstocking · Aug 02, 2005, 06:17 AM // 06:17

Now that'd be something. Why the hell are they "Unseen Gods" if anyone and their grandmothers can see them plain as day?

Making armor level-dependant is the best thing, since every class has different armor. Making the breakpoint 55AL for ascalon means that any caster from presearing to denravi can get in, though warriors and rangers may be at a disadvantage. Then again, who takes much stock in "pwning" in the Ascalon and Yak's arenas? It's just practice for the real thing anyways.

sgtclarity · Aug 02, 2005, 06:20 AM // 06:20

i think all of you who waste your time in <10 ascalon arena deserve to be beat by these uber leet noobs
let's start levelling and playing big boy pvp ok?

Lebdan · Aug 02, 2005, 01:43 PM // 13:43

For hell's sake, what's the problem with Ascalon Arena? People who are just starting want to get a taste of PvP, and I don't think that having an unfair fight actually encourages them to keep playing.

EDIT: Besides, I think your "big boy pvp" is more annoying than Ascalon and Yak's Bend arenas. I don't remember bein' called a "noob" when I was in the early arenas.

EDIT2: And FFS, I just saw a mesmer with Panic in Ascalon. -.-

Druids Arrow · Aug 02, 2005, 04:26 PM // 16:26

After just reading this thread I decided to go to the Ascolon Arena with my level 6 straight outta pre-searing E/Mo. Lone behold, I see a level 10 R/Mo with Posion Arrow and 15k Druids all dyed black (-.-)

Personally I believe that doing the Lornar's run, defeats the entire aspect of the game. I mean why buy the game if you are going to skip half of it?

*Readys anti flame sheild*

super dooper · Aug 02, 2005, 04:47 PM // 16:47

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Originally Posted by Helios

Or how about make it so that having the "true sight" means something. If you're unascended, then you can't see or even target any mursaat bad guys but they can attack you.

sure, beats the hell out of my idea.

Jack Longblood · Aug 02, 2005, 04:51 PM // 16:51

I would think part of the reason for having lower level arenas is to learn the PvP aspect of the game, gradually. Done right, by the time noobs hit the level 20 arenas they would have learned a lot and become pretty proficient at PvP combat.

Unfortunately, getting pwned by characters who have max armor and elite skills isn't going to teach you much... Except maybe that PvP is no fun. If players lose interest in PvP, they'll miss a crucial part of the game and maybe quit after they do the PvE. That's bad for the game, because those players who do only PvE are likely to lose interest in the game, which is bad for all of us who enjoy the game.

Sandman Uk · Aug 02, 2005, 05:03 PM // 17:03

It may be one of the reasons I was turned off PVP play. I remember my first times in the Arenas being owned totally.

Trying to finish off and Warrior who stood there a took all I gave then Finished me off in a few hits. I thought jeeeze im crap at this part of the game and never really tried again. How many others have been affected this way.

Red Sonya · Aug 02, 2005, 08:45 PM // 20:45

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Originally Posted by Druids Arrow

After just reading this thread I decided to go to the Ascolon Arena with my level 6 straight outta pre-searing E/Mo. Lone behold, I see a level 10 R/Mo with Posion Arrow and 15k Druids all dyed black (-.-)

Personally I believe that doing the Lornar's run, defeats the entire aspect of the game. I mean why buy the game if you are going to skip half of it?

*Readys anti flame sheild*

Amen I agree 100%, just close off Lornar's to lower levels 15 and below, that'll fix it. But, high level skills have to be nerfed as well and given level requirements. Cause then people can still get runs to high level skill areas, so NO ELITES allowed in Ascalon/Yaks either.

And what else, No skills past Yaks bend allowed in Ascalon or Yaks Bend Arenas

Yes yes these are great ideas. Hurry up A-Net/Devs do your stuff

Zubrowka · Aug 03, 2005, 03:18 AM // 03:18

It should be noted that the Droknar runners ruin PvE gameplay too. It's increasingly harder to get a team together in town to run quests. In Shiverpeak it darn near impossible. All you hear are runners and runnees calling out to each other. And playing with people with unbalancing equirpment is hardly any fun.

Personally, I would like to see Anet fix the fundamental imbalance with armors. Right now, there is no trade-off with better armors. A 60 armor is better than a 30 armor, period. In my opinion, there should be some kind of penalty with wearing good armors, much like the use of runes. If you want better protection, than you have to give up health, energy regen, or attack speed. And the same should be true of elite skills--the recharge time should be longer. The idea here is that elite equirpment/skills while making you more powerful, yet at the same time makes mistakes more costly. People who know what they're doing would still benefit from having them. Those who do not would find them more a liability.

Red Sonya · Aug 03, 2005, 04:19 AM // 04:19

Basically from the posts/threads I am reading the whole game is turning into CHAOS from the PVE game to the PVP game. There is much that is unbalanced, unfair, unequal on a per level scale throughout the whole game now.

The game world has turned into a "rush & runners" PVE game and the PVP game has turned into Poison & Smite & Spirits and Spike. lol

The variety is getting thinner and thinner for strategy and tactics all the way around.

Armor definetly needs a restriction just like weapons to help curb the one sidedness of lower level arenas. And too high level skills would need to be curbed as well, imagine a lowbie with "shield of judgement" in a newbie arena. Some skills just shouldn't be allowed at certain stages of the game.

The game needs checks and balances from point A to point Z, to actually keep people playing together in groups of like kind, instead of some overpowered player who has been run to every major spot in the game to become some elite super powered level 10. lol

Born · Aug 03, 2005, 05:33 AM // 05:33

In beta the armor did have level requirements for a short time.

I didnt mind it at all , most online games of this type use it for balance reasons. Other games use a system where armor and items (GW has this for items now) gets a nerf until you meet the requirements.
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Which is the best way...I can go buy my Droknars Knights Armor and use it but until I reach level 20 it only has [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] point is it looks great and is usable but does not give me an advantage, in fact the armor at vendors of my level is better for my level and offers better protection.
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This is the best way to handle the armor problem.

Elites is a whole different topic I think, but is somewhat handled in the same way to a lesser degree (I dont have 14-16 points in a skill at level 10).

entropy · Aug 03, 2005, 07:06 AM // 07:06

Lol with armor restrictions it will help start another business... POWER LEVELING and you know what you guys are gonna complain about it too. so how bout we leave it as it is and as for the person says the first time in the arean and he got owned well it was a war... againt a caster well boo hoo god pick yourself up and try again if it was your first time of course your not gonna be that good. Even if he had droks armor and other things. Was it even droks? God.. There is nothing wrong with going to droknars from beacons if u want my reasons go back to my posts. i think i posted them in this thread. my last thing is jsut that you people complain way to much over such a small thing and YES it is SMALL! And so what a superpowered a Elite lvl 10 might help you beat the mission and i know that most people would rather beat a mission with an "unfair" char than fail it with others.

Born · Aug 03, 2005, 07:16 AM // 07:16

Yea it takes 2 days (if I go quickly) for me to level any class I want without any help to 20.

People used to take low players into fissure /uw to rush them to 20 in about an hour, guess what it got fixed. I hope they fix the armor too and bring back requirements.

LathalDraugr · Aug 03, 2005, 10:00 AM // 10:00

The problem here isn't the armour and elites, the problem is the arena. Take away the armour and elite skills and the low level arenas are still going to be completely unbalanced. First problem is that warriors and to some extent rangers have a huge advantage in the early game because they are far less reliant on skills to do damage. An elementalist actually has the highest damage output but getting human players to stay in an AoE even at low levels can be quite difficult, leaving only warriors and marksmanship rangers with decent damage output.

The second problem is that even if you ignore armour, people who have played the game through are going to have better weapons and items than a person just starting out. A crimson carapace shield from the collector outside camp Rankor gives damage reduction of 2 and 45 health in a stance. A big hurdle when you're up against a level 15 warrior in LA armour.

Third problem is that as long as such a massive difference in level is acceptable theres no way the arenas can be considered fair. If you're in a team of level 10-12s in the Shiverpeaks and come up against a team of level 15 warriors you're dead even if you have Droknars armour and elites.

Last problem I have is that having actually tried the Shiverpeaks arena with my monk I had rushed (in order to get a low-life monk build to solo UW and farm) both with and without Droknar armour I can honestly say (as far as monks are concerned anyway) that Droknar armour and skills (Didn't have any elites though) make absolutely no difference. Both with and without armour the one most reliable indicator of win or lose was the relative levels of the teams. Sure with the armour I had one run of 70 consecutive wins* but being that I was the only one rushed in that group and given that we were often up against teams where 2 or even 3 of the players were in if not Droknars armour then at least the oasis armour it came down to skill and coordination on the part of my team not who had the "uber-1337 1t3mz". I also saw a few elites and late game skills in there as well. So complain all you like about the evil Droknar rushers but whether or not A.net closes this loophole the <20 level arenas are going to be unfair.

*I'm sure you'll be happy to know that even with Droknar armour apart from that one long winning streak the teams I were in got annihilated usually by level 15 W/Mos and quite often I was the highest level in my team at level 13. Even with Droknars armour a lone monk can't survive a few warriors and whatever else attacking at the same time.

BunnyMaster · Aug 03, 2005, 10:34 AM // 10:34

Some Minor thoughts...

1. Playing in <10 arena with 15k Armor and Elite Skills
I've done that too, just to see what happened. And guess what? First match was Flawless (of course) but second match I had to fight a Wa/Mo and a Ra/Me that also had the 15karmor and Elite Skills. It all evens out, you can't rely on your leet armor and skills to win in that arena. Armor Restrictions will not change much.

2. Running in General
I have made multiple characters: from a lvl 20 E/Me (main) with 650k exp to a lvl 9 Ne/Mo that still kills charrs in PreSear (I know, I'm a freak). I like doing the missions, trying to complete all the bonus-missions too and even do mission over and over because I like the cutscenes (Rurik getting killed is so nice

). But when my guild asks me to play GvG with a certain build that requires a certain spell, I WILL LET SOMEONE RUN ME TO GET THAT SPELL!

Running isn't always bad, just accept that some people don't play this game like you would like them to. That also goes for 15karmor/Elites-users in lowlvl arenas: if they win and shout: PWN!, just laugh at them or say: "omg, haxx0rz! I'm mailing Anet!"